I began to read this article, to see how they would justify fearing God/Allah; when I got to this, I was compelled to stop to comment….
“Then, the heart of the believer should beat between fear and hope in the presence of his Lord with the excitement of being a slave worthy of Him. ”
I am sorry, but, I cannot place any faith at all in a god which wants me to be a slave….
Slavery, whether to man or a god, is the absolute WORST expression of the violence in human nature, and, to me, as a human being, nothing, nothing makes me less willing to believe in any such deity that would require such of any creation of theirs… It is petty, and small-minded, as well as ethically unsound…. and, I will reject ANY sort of pressure to cause me to believe such untruth.
I love you my sister, but, this delusion will be the death of us all if it continues. Humanity needs to grow up, and stop needing to be “governed” or “protected” by supernatural beings without a conscience….
As long as people continue to pursue the dictates of religions, of any kind, we are all doomed to NO PEACE, for all religions preach violence, of one sort or another, as an acceptable response to those of OTHER faiths. That, to me, is unacceptable in an adult human being…. We are all one species, and until we begin to act our age, we are doomed to constant war and conflict between people….
So be it.
gigoid has spoken, with much more love and reason than you will hear from any imam, or priest, or other dogma dog….
Hi SOHEIR.. i appreciate your quick research
for a source that describes Fear of God in Islam
well it seems..
And there are two particular quotes that caught
my eye.. one of which i was able to trace
as a Hadith quote
contributed
by
Abdullah ibn Masud
“Paradise is nearer to you than your shoelaces. So is Hell…”
I was almost sure that quote was not directly out of the
Kuran.. as it is a better one than the one from the
New Testament attributed to Jesus that
clearly states that Heaven is NOW..
and not a place one has to
wait until after life..
and while it doesn’t
clearly state Hell is also
a place in life that one does not
have to wait to enter until after life..
as discussed already on your site here
and mine.. i for one am 100% sure it is..
and i have described that place i entered
in detail both here and on my site.. my
friend SOHEIR.. anyway.. yes there is
good reason to fear Allah in terms
of the Hell that is real on this
terrestrial plane.. and i for
one respect
Allah to the
degree that
i give 100%
of my life to Allah
so there is no fear
for me now.. but as
the other quote
that i could
not find
a resource as to
who originally reported
it… as i am assuming it is
part of a Hadith.. as quoted here..
“If the believer had known the amount of the torture and punishment of Allah, nobody would have hoped for Paradise. If the unbeliever had known how much the amount of the mercy of Allah was, no one would have given up hope of His mercy.”
This is also a quote that rings true to me.. that i
for one have described in similar metaphors
in language.. as i have been to both
places.. and i for one can
say for sure.. that
in Hell..
there is no
hope.. and in
heaven all there
is.. is hope my friend
and truly paradise now..
and as a person who had
glimpses of heaven from
age 3.. and sparks after that
as culture and religions i was
exposed to took it away.. now that
i live there always now.. one can certainly
see and feel.. in Allah’s eYes.. that Allah is
all merciful.. even when one cannot perceive
that if they ever enter hell on earth my friend…
So yes.. there is good reason to stay in balance
with Allah my friend.. but this heaven is a place
that starts within.. as well as the hell that becomes
reality when one goes far out of balance with Allah..
And while there are laundry lists of does and don’ts
in culture.. some of which help in gaining and
maintaining balance with Allah.. neither
Christianity or the Islam religion
or many others address one of
the most important parts
of gaining and
maintaining
that balance
my friend..
as that relates
to actual physical
movement in balance..
as we are temples of God
on this terrestrial plane now..
heaven is now and hell is now..
and in truly knowing and feeling
this.. one can gain great strides
to peace of mind and body
balance through
the art of movement..
even the Buddhists and
Yogis speak to meditation
as only a sitting still
activity..
where all of
God’s Nature moves
around us.. and in deciding
that human is somehow different
in this respect than the rest of Nature
Humans ends up separating themselves
from God more so by sitting still away
from the reality of God in Nature
that is always moving
now my friend..
it is easy
to get stuck
in one’s head when
living in our modern cultures
in school.. office work and such
but what this does often is
separate ourselves
from the
Nature that
is God in us as
a Temple of God..
and in the United States
the effect of this is one
moving toward a life
of empty
emotions
and empty
empathy for
other human beings
as emotions run through
our bodies.. when freely
moving in balance and
are not something
limited to
between
our ears
friend..
people are suffering
greatly in separating themselves
from Allah’s Nature manifest as us
as moving feeling connecting creating
creatures.. as reflections of God of
Allthatis.. as us my friend as
well.. anyway.. the
results of this
in terms of health
is empirically measurable
as in the U.S.. morbid obesity
is sky rocketing.. school age
children.. are assessed type two
pre-diabetic.. at rates of 33%..
close to half the adult
population is on
some kind
of prescription
pain killer.. for
chronic pain that is
often somatic in nature
from a body that is repressed
in human emotions and full
of tension.. treating symptoms
of pain.. instead of addressing
the root problem.. of a mind
and body out of balance..
where sitting still
stagnating and
rotting still
in front of screens
is a mainstay of even
children’s lives who also
have skyrocketing rates of
psychotropic medications..
treating symptoms now..
instead of treating the
root cause of
mind and body
imbalance as well..
but no my friend.. no bible
addresses this adequately as
there is still much to learn about
a new human condition that is a result
of modern technology ways of life that
were not present when either the bible
or the Kuran was written.. and this my friend
is why there will always be new prophets with
healing messages from God.. as this experiment
of culture is ever changing.. and truly an experiment
with no precedent in history.. we can no longer rely on
just the politics.. religions.. and philosophies of the
past alone.. as if this human species is going to
survive as whole.. without much more
suffering and misery approaching
that place of hell on earth..
even science and
medicine will
have to
change
to address
the root causes
that are truly human
beings out of balance
with God of All my friend..
all that is seen.. unseen..
felt.. and unfelt now.. or
on the other
hand
we
can
stay with the
prophets.. politicians..
scientists.. priests..
teachers and only
books of the past..
go no further..
and just
suffer
in
misery my friend..
Nah.. God didn’t give us
brains.. to shut them down..
after this book or that book..
not to adapt to change of the
future.. God gifts us rationality..
innate instinct.. and intuition to
adapt to the challenge to live
in heaven now..
as this place
is real
and i prove
it everynow of my
life my friend in
LIVING COLOR..
sMiLes.. an open
mind AND BODY
in Balance iS
A path
to heaven now
and seeing and feeling
so much more of God my friend..
Signed your friend
Fred..
AN
Encyclopedia
of God..
alWays
GroWinG
bigger..:)
Hello gigoid dear friend!
It is the translation my friend..
He translated a worshipper as a slave …and this is a big mistake…try to read it again and replace a slave with a believer or a worshipper…
I respect your opinion my friend and you are right.
Welcome gigoid the dubious !
Thanks my friend.. and i will
end with a little story here..
there was once a woman..
a troubled woman..
very poor.. with
a religion named
Christianity.. that like
Islam.. suggests that
adultery is a sin.. worthy
of hell fire.. this woman..
innately instinctually and
intuitively was empty inside..
with a husband off in another
land with the military.. so empty
inside.. she was looking for something
to feel that emptiness as many humans
do.. who are empty inside.. most often it
is a troubled childhood with parents who
are not there to give touchy feely love to
their children.. and perhaps they have
smilar problems of this vicious
cycle too..
of emptiness
my friend.. so this
woman.. has different
fathers of different children..
adultery was her escape from
all encompassing emptiness
likely each and every time
she strayed.. but it was
her innate instinct
and intuition
of finding
something
to feel that whole
that was behind her
straying too.. so no one
to blame at this part
but her nature
as gifted
by God..
so this woman
did what she could
to survive as is.. taking
care of her children at
hand the best she could
that eventually numbered
6.. including 8 or so
with miscarriages
and such.. yes..
she was a
real reproducing
machine.. getting
the job done..
as best she
could
adding
to the humans
of earth.. and her children
a diverse group.. with different
fathers of course.. the last two children
half Pacific Islander.. only photo of their
father.. in Arabian clothes with cover
on head.. in some kind of costume
party clothes.. deep black
eyes.. and extremely
youthful face for
a man he
was then..
those children
of that man were
boy and girl.. twins..
some folks in the local
area commented that the
little girl looked like an
American Indian Princess..
and that little girl grew up
left home..
and found
a nice poor man
to marry.. who eventually
went kinda crazy from stress
himself.. but even when he didn’t
wanna stay here on this earth she stood
by his side.. never leaving it no matter what
as the gift of her father.. she never knew was
Unconditional Love.. and from her Granny
too.. as her mother was very troubled
when she was young..
of course..
anyway.. the fact
is.. if she was born in many
Muslim Countries of that
time.. early on a decade or
so before those twins died
because of her mental illness
related condition.. and her open
adultery.. she would have potentially
been imprisoned.. or at worst stoned
for her behavior.. with no doubt.. so
what this means.. is that beautiful
young Indian American looking
princess would have never
been born.. and
God’s plan
for the young
man after he
recovered from
his problems would
have never met fate..
as he would have never
survived his illness without
the help of his Wife with no
legal or Christian marriage father..
So that man lives today my friend.. as
result of that Mother who looked for Love
to fill an empty space.. whose only reward
was having a child who would never age.. at
least until age 45 as is proof and evidence in
her photos today.. from the time she married
that man.. at age 19.. a miracle of God is she..
and proof.. of who is right or wrong.. God or
prophets
of old
and
new
my
friend….
God works in mysterious
ways.. people who
do not continue
to listen
to those
mysterious
ways and
change..
for the
better
will
face the
consequences
of hell here on earth
my friend.. same story
as always..
just
different
characters
now.. my friend..:)
Thanks for the story Fred!
Yes I know people who live in hell on earth ..it is the hell which they created inside their hearts…
My country is an Islamic one and stonning and killing women like the woman in your story is not applied here cause they understand the real Islam..
In Islam there are very strict and hard rules to prove that some one made adultry…
I will tell you a story about that my friend..
After the death of prophet Mohammad there was a real islamic country not like Islamic countries of today…
The king was called Omar…Omar was very careful about his people…everyday Omar at night was walking between houses to check that everything was okay with his people..
While he was doing that he heard voices coming from a house and when approched from that house he could see a complete relation ship between a man and a woman who is not his wife..
Omar was angry and went to Ali ( prophet Mohammad cousin) and told him about what he saw and heard..
Omar wanted to punish the man and woman…
Omar was a king…
Ali told him that he should give 4 witnesses on this..
But Omar said no I am the only witness ..and insisted that he saw what happened with his eyes and heard with his ears..
But Ali who was his minister told him to stop talking about that as long as he is the only witness..
Ali threatened him that he would punish him if he insisted on that..
At that time there were justice and real understanding of Islam..
We live in a great tragedy my friend ..it is the tragedy of stupid brains of some muslims who destroy the beautiful image of Islam…
I saw a video on u tube of a man who is lashing a woman in a brute way because she doesnt pray…that was sadly in Pakistan…believe me or not ..that has no relation with the real islam…
I do not blame any one who hates moslems or hates Mohammad…cause they judge us according to our deeds…
Real moslems nowadays are rare my friend…
Islam came strange and will go back strange ..blessed be strangers…
Fred my dear friend I like your being here in my posts and you are always welcome..
Smiles 🙂
SMiLes.. thank you for your story
my friend.. and i understand
the different ways
that the Islam
religion is
practiced..
depending on the
political structure
and understanding
of the religion.. and
obviously a kinder gentler
version where you live.. but
truly there should be a book where
there are no confusions my friend..
humans.. many of them..
just do not have the
Capability
and or the
learning
to understand
the simplest of human
metaphors in poetic way
of heARt speech.. even some
poets.. even some technically
popular poet’s too..
in the online
world
i find..
anyway.. always room
for a kinder gentler
courageous way..
but it does not
come with
the sword..
or back
of hand
or whip..
it comes
with Love
iN HeARt my
friend.. the other
place away from
human hell now..
some folks need the
truth and liGht spoon
fed to them like little
children.. and some folks
never get that as children
on an individual
and societal
basis..
there
lies the
start of
the lies my
friend.. from
early childhood..
and the sins of the
fathers and mothers
who were once misled
and misguided children…
It takes constant never ending
work to even scratch the surface
of that
vicious
cycle of
hell
here
on earth..
but we Must
try if we hope..:)
There is only one version of Qoran on earth my friend…
The difference between versions is according to the names of every chapter..but the context of every chapter is the same..
I think it is a crisis of teachers who do not have the ability to explain and apply Islam ..
THE SWORD is a big story my friend…
I will make a post about the sword in Islam God willing..
Mohammad used the sword to protect himself against his enemies who wanted to prevent him from teaching people Islam…they began the war ..not him…
Thanks again Fred dear friend..
🙂
SMiLes again.. my friend SOHEIR
and thank you for all the inspiring
discussion here on your site..
Aggression.. Violence.. and
Wars have a place with
tribal ruled humans
but never ever
a place
iN
LOVE..
WheRe Human
iS ruled by LOVE..
The place of no
fear and hate..
related emoTioNs..
And true that place
did not live as
country..
politics..
philosophy..
religion or
science..
wHere
Muhammad
or Jesus
lived
or many
places around
the world now..
i for one now.
need no sword
but hands and
feet to walk
upright
and strong
with the gift
of Kind and Courageous
Love.. Swords are for
weaker children
of God whEre i
live but of course
i am blessed as such..
differently than either historical
reports of Jesus.. Muhammad.. and
many others.. then and now.. in other
words.. perhaps then.. i may have been
very handy with a sword too.. but for now..
no swords necessary.. just feats of feet and hands
that can kick some butt.. with ease.. if need be
in small skirmishes for freedom.. my friend.. but
wHere i live
walking tall
and strong
with courageous
Love.. is the only
sword i’ve ever needed
really.. with a few skirmishes
of hands and feat.. and the stronger
i get.. and taller i walk.. with kind
and courageous love wHere i live at
least.. the necessity
for actual
skirmishes
to retain
my freedoms
becomes less and
less.. if all men and
women were like me..
in this regard of training
in physical effort.. of confidence
my friend.. there would be no
tribal wars.. as each man
and women would
be confident
enough
to live
in Peace
with kind and
courageous Love
instead of strife my friend..
but no.. no book is enough
it takes practice.. truly
in martial
arts..
an art
that all our
ancestors naturally
did as a way of life
before they no longer
heard the call of God
to walk tall.. with
kind and
courageous
love.. no different
that Lions on the
Savannah very
close to
where
you live
in Egypt
my friend..
SOHEIR..
as we close out
here on 3 thousand
or so more words.. on
this 21st day of January..
pleasant dreams of night
now peace my friend.. my
day is
just
getting
stArted
with ART
of LOVE..
STRONG..:)
Hello my friend
I appreciate you’re efforts to educated us on the Quran and how it relates to issues we face today. I’m a Christian yet have deep desire to learn about religions around the world.
We believe in the same God, that’s our salvation.
🙂
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Soheir, my sister in spirit,
I began to read this article, to see how they would justify fearing God/Allah; when I got to this, I was compelled to stop to comment….
“Then, the heart of the believer should beat between fear and hope in the presence of his Lord with the excitement of being a slave worthy of Him. ”
I am sorry, but, I cannot place any faith at all in a god which wants me to be a slave….
Slavery, whether to man or a god, is the absolute WORST expression of the violence in human nature, and, to me, as a human being, nothing, nothing makes me less willing to believe in any such deity that would require such of any creation of theirs… It is petty, and small-minded, as well as ethically unsound…. and, I will reject ANY sort of pressure to cause me to believe such untruth.
I love you my sister, but, this delusion will be the death of us all if it continues. Humanity needs to grow up, and stop needing to be “governed” or “protected” by supernatural beings without a conscience….
As long as people continue to pursue the dictates of religions, of any kind, we are all doomed to NO PEACE, for all religions preach violence, of one sort or another, as an acceptable response to those of OTHER faiths. That, to me, is unacceptable in an adult human being…. We are all one species, and until we begin to act our age, we are doomed to constant war and conflict between people….
So be it.
gigoid has spoken, with much more love and reason than you will hear from any imam, or priest, or other dogma dog….
Love
gigoid, the dubious
😎
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Hi SOHEIR.. i appreciate your quick research
for a source that describes Fear of God in Islam
well it seems..
And there are two particular quotes that caught
my eye.. one of which i was able to trace
as a Hadith quote
contributed
by
Abdullah ibn Masud
“Paradise is nearer to you than your shoelaces. So is Hell…”
I was almost sure that quote was not directly out of the
Kuran.. as it is a better one than the one from the
New Testament attributed to Jesus that
clearly states that Heaven is NOW..
and not a place one has to
wait until after life..
and while it doesn’t
clearly state Hell is also
a place in life that one does not
have to wait to enter until after life..
as discussed already on your site here
and mine.. i for one am 100% sure it is..
and i have described that place i entered
in detail both here and on my site.. my
friend SOHEIR.. anyway.. yes there is
good reason to fear Allah in terms
of the Hell that is real on this
terrestrial plane.. and i for
one respect
Allah to the
degree that
i give 100%
of my life to Allah
so there is no fear
for me now.. but as
the other quote
that i could
not find
a resource as to
who originally reported
it… as i am assuming it is
part of a Hadith.. as quoted here..
“If the believer had known the amount of the torture and punishment of Allah, nobody would have hoped for Paradise. If the unbeliever had known how much the amount of the mercy of Allah was, no one would have given up hope of His mercy.”
This is also a quote that rings true to me.. that i
for one have described in similar metaphors
in language.. as i have been to both
places.. and i for one can
say for sure.. that
in Hell..
there is no
hope.. and in
heaven all there
is.. is hope my friend
and truly paradise now..
and as a person who had
glimpses of heaven from
age 3.. and sparks after that
as culture and religions i was
exposed to took it away.. now that
i live there always now.. one can certainly
see and feel.. in Allah’s eYes.. that Allah is
all merciful.. even when one cannot perceive
that if they ever enter hell on earth my friend…
So yes.. there is good reason to stay in balance
with Allah my friend.. but this heaven is a place
that starts within.. as well as the hell that becomes
reality when one goes far out of balance with Allah..
And while there are laundry lists of does and don’ts
in culture.. some of which help in gaining and
maintaining balance with Allah.. neither
Christianity or the Islam religion
or many others address one of
the most important parts
of gaining and
maintaining
that balance
my friend..
as that relates
to actual physical
movement in balance..
as we are temples of God
on this terrestrial plane now..
heaven is now and hell is now..
and in truly knowing and feeling
this.. one can gain great strides
to peace of mind and body
balance through
the art of movement..
even the Buddhists and
Yogis speak to meditation
as only a sitting still
activity..
where all of
God’s Nature moves
around us.. and in deciding
that human is somehow different
in this respect than the rest of Nature
Humans ends up separating themselves
from God more so by sitting still away
from the reality of God in Nature
that is always moving
now my friend..
it is easy
to get stuck
in one’s head when
living in our modern cultures
in school.. office work and such
but what this does often is
separate ourselves
from the
Nature that
is God in us as
a Temple of God..
and in the United States
the effect of this is one
moving toward a life
of empty
emotions
and empty
empathy for
other human beings
as emotions run through
our bodies.. when freely
moving in balance and
are not something
limited to
between
our ears
friend..
people are suffering
greatly in separating themselves
from Allah’s Nature manifest as us
as moving feeling connecting creating
creatures.. as reflections of God of
Allthatis.. as us my friend as
well.. anyway.. the
results of this
in terms of health
is empirically measurable
as in the U.S.. morbid obesity
is sky rocketing.. school age
children.. are assessed type two
pre-diabetic.. at rates of 33%..
close to half the adult
population is on
some kind
of prescription
pain killer.. for
chronic pain that is
often somatic in nature
from a body that is repressed
in human emotions and full
of tension.. treating symptoms
of pain.. instead of addressing
the root problem.. of a mind
and body out of balance..
where sitting still
stagnating and
rotting still
in front of screens
is a mainstay of even
children’s lives who also
have skyrocketing rates of
psychotropic medications..
treating symptoms now..
instead of treating the
root cause of
mind and body
imbalance as well..
but no my friend.. no bible
addresses this adequately as
there is still much to learn about
a new human condition that is a result
of modern technology ways of life that
were not present when either the bible
or the Kuran was written.. and this my friend
is why there will always be new prophets with
healing messages from God.. as this experiment
of culture is ever changing.. and truly an experiment
with no precedent in history.. we can no longer rely on
just the politics.. religions.. and philosophies of the
past alone.. as if this human species is going to
survive as whole.. without much more
suffering and misery approaching
that place of hell on earth..
even science and
medicine will
have to
change
to address
the root causes
that are truly human
beings out of balance
with God of All my friend..
all that is seen.. unseen..
felt.. and unfelt now.. or
on the other
hand
we
can
stay with the
prophets.. politicians..
scientists.. priests..
teachers and only
books of the past..
go no further..
and just
suffer
in
misery my friend..
Nah.. God didn’t give us
brains.. to shut them down..
after this book or that book..
not to adapt to change of the
future.. God gifts us rationality..
innate instinct.. and intuition to
adapt to the challenge to live
in heaven now..
as this place
is real
and i prove
it everynow of my
life my friend in
LIVING COLOR..
sMiLes.. an open
mind AND BODY
in Balance iS
A path
to heaven now
and seeing and feeling
so much more of God my friend..
Signed your friend
Fred..
AN
Encyclopedia
of God..
alWays
GroWinG
bigger..:)
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Hello gigoid dear friend!
It is the translation my friend..
He translated a worshipper as a slave …and this is a big mistake…try to read it again and replace a slave with a believer or a worshipper…
I respect your opinion my friend and you are right.
Welcome gigoid the dubious !
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Hello Fred my friend!
Always enjoy your comments even if I do not agree about some points…
You’re always welcome and thank you!
🙂
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Thanks my friend.. and i will
end with a little story here..
there was once a woman..
a troubled woman..
very poor.. with
a religion named
Christianity.. that like
Islam.. suggests that
adultery is a sin.. worthy
of hell fire.. this woman..
innately instinctually and
intuitively was empty inside..
with a husband off in another
land with the military.. so empty
inside.. she was looking for something
to feel that emptiness as many humans
do.. who are empty inside.. most often it
is a troubled childhood with parents who
are not there to give touchy feely love to
their children.. and perhaps they have
smilar problems of this vicious
cycle too..
of emptiness
my friend.. so this
woman.. has different
fathers of different children..
adultery was her escape from
all encompassing emptiness
likely each and every time
she strayed.. but it was
her innate instinct
and intuition
of finding
something
to feel that whole
that was behind her
straying too.. so no one
to blame at this part
but her nature
as gifted
by God..
so this woman
did what she could
to survive as is.. taking
care of her children at
hand the best she could
that eventually numbered
6.. including 8 or so
with miscarriages
and such.. yes..
she was a
real reproducing
machine.. getting
the job done..
as best she
could
adding
to the humans
of earth.. and her children
a diverse group.. with different
fathers of course.. the last two children
half Pacific Islander.. only photo of their
father.. in Arabian clothes with cover
on head.. in some kind of costume
party clothes.. deep black
eyes.. and extremely
youthful face for
a man he
was then..
those children
of that man were
boy and girl.. twins..
some folks in the local
area commented that the
little girl looked like an
American Indian Princess..
and that little girl grew up
left home..
and found
a nice poor man
to marry.. who eventually
went kinda crazy from stress
himself.. but even when he didn’t
wanna stay here on this earth she stood
by his side.. never leaving it no matter what
as the gift of her father.. she never knew was
Unconditional Love.. and from her Granny
too.. as her mother was very troubled
when she was young..
of course..
anyway.. the fact
is.. if she was born in many
Muslim Countries of that
time.. early on a decade or
so before those twins died
because of her mental illness
related condition.. and her open
adultery.. she would have potentially
been imprisoned.. or at worst stoned
for her behavior.. with no doubt.. so
what this means.. is that beautiful
young Indian American looking
princess would have never
been born.. and
God’s plan
for the young
man after he
recovered from
his problems would
have never met fate..
as he would have never
survived his illness without
the help of his Wife with no
legal or Christian marriage father..
So that man lives today my friend.. as
result of that Mother who looked for Love
to fill an empty space.. whose only reward
was having a child who would never age.. at
least until age 45 as is proof and evidence in
her photos today.. from the time she married
that man.. at age 19.. a miracle of God is she..
and proof.. of who is right or wrong.. God or
prophets
of old
and
new
my
friend….
God works in mysterious
ways.. people who
do not continue
to listen
to those
mysterious
ways and
change..
for the
better
will
face the
consequences
of hell here on earth
my friend.. same story
as always..
just
different
characters
now.. my friend..:)
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Thanks for the story Fred!
Yes I know people who live in hell on earth ..it is the hell which they created inside their hearts…
My country is an Islamic one and stonning and killing women like the woman in your story is not applied here cause they understand the real Islam..
In Islam there are very strict and hard rules to prove that some one made adultry…
I will tell you a story about that my friend..
After the death of prophet Mohammad there was a real islamic country not like Islamic countries of today…
The king was called Omar…Omar was very careful about his people…everyday Omar at night was walking between houses to check that everything was okay with his people..
While he was doing that he heard voices coming from a house and when approched from that house he could see a complete relation ship between a man and a woman who is not his wife..
Omar was angry and went to Ali ( prophet Mohammad cousin) and told him about what he saw and heard..
Omar wanted to punish the man and woman…
Omar was a king…
Ali told him that he should give 4 witnesses on this..
But Omar said no I am the only witness ..and insisted that he saw what happened with his eyes and heard with his ears..
But Ali who was his minister told him to stop talking about that as long as he is the only witness..
Ali threatened him that he would punish him if he insisted on that..
At that time there were justice and real understanding of Islam..
We live in a great tragedy my friend ..it is the tragedy of stupid brains of some muslims who destroy the beautiful image of Islam…
I saw a video on u tube of a man who is lashing a woman in a brute way because she doesnt pray…that was sadly in Pakistan…believe me or not ..that has no relation with the real islam…
I do not blame any one who hates moslems or hates Mohammad…cause they judge us according to our deeds…
Real moslems nowadays are rare my friend…
Islam came strange and will go back strange ..blessed be strangers…
Fred my dear friend I like your being here in my posts and you are always welcome..
Smiles 🙂
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SMiLes.. thank you for your story
my friend.. and i understand
the different ways
that the Islam
religion is
practiced..
depending on the
political structure
and understanding
of the religion.. and
obviously a kinder gentler
version where you live.. but
truly there should be a book where
there are no confusions my friend..
humans.. many of them..
just do not have the
Capability
and or the
learning
to understand
the simplest of human
metaphors in poetic way
of heARt speech.. even some
poets.. even some technically
popular poet’s too..
in the online
world
i find..
anyway.. always room
for a kinder gentler
courageous way..
but it does not
come with
the sword..
or back
of hand
or whip..
it comes
with Love
iN HeARt my
friend.. the other
place away from
human hell now..
some folks need the
truth and liGht spoon
fed to them like little
children.. and some folks
never get that as children
on an individual
and societal
basis..
there
lies the
start of
the lies my
friend.. from
early childhood..
and the sins of the
fathers and mothers
who were once misled
and misguided children…
It takes constant never ending
work to even scratch the surface
of that
vicious
cycle of
hell
here
on earth..
but we Must
try if we hope..:)
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There is only one version of Qoran on earth my friend…
The difference between versions is according to the names of every chapter..but the context of every chapter is the same..
I think it is a crisis of teachers who do not have the ability to explain and apply Islam ..
THE SWORD is a big story my friend…
I will make a post about the sword in Islam God willing..
Mohammad used the sword to protect himself against his enemies who wanted to prevent him from teaching people Islam…they began the war ..not him…
Thanks again Fred dear friend..
🙂
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SMiLes again.. my friend SOHEIR
and thank you for all the inspiring
discussion here on your site..
Aggression.. Violence.. and
Wars have a place with
tribal ruled humans
but never ever
a place
iN
LOVE..
WheRe Human
iS ruled by LOVE..
The place of no
fear and hate..
related emoTioNs..
And true that place
did not live as
country..
politics..
philosophy..
religion or
science..
wHere
Muhammad
or Jesus
lived
or many
places around
the world now..
i for one now.
need no sword
but hands and
feet to walk
upright
and strong
with the gift
of Kind and Courageous
Love.. Swords are for
weaker children
of God whEre i
live but of course
i am blessed as such..
differently than either historical
reports of Jesus.. Muhammad.. and
many others.. then and now.. in other
words.. perhaps then.. i may have been
very handy with a sword too.. but for now..
no swords necessary.. just feats of feet and hands
that can kick some butt.. with ease.. if need be
in small skirmishes for freedom.. my friend.. but
wHere i live
walking tall
and strong
with courageous
Love.. is the only
sword i’ve ever needed
really.. with a few skirmishes
of hands and feat.. and the stronger
i get.. and taller i walk.. with kind
and courageous love wHere i live at
least.. the necessity
for actual
skirmishes
to retain
my freedoms
becomes less and
less.. if all men and
women were like me..
in this regard of training
in physical effort.. of confidence
my friend.. there would be no
tribal wars.. as each man
and women would
be confident
enough
to live
in Peace
with kind and
courageous Love
instead of strife my friend..
but no.. no book is enough
it takes practice.. truly
in martial
arts..
an art
that all our
ancestors naturally
did as a way of life
before they no longer
heard the call of God
to walk tall.. with
kind and
courageous
love.. no different
that Lions on the
Savannah very
close to
where
you live
in Egypt
my friend..
SOHEIR..
as we close out
here on 3 thousand
or so more words.. on
this 21st day of January..
pleasant dreams of night
now peace my friend.. my
day is
just
getting
stArted
with ART
of LOVE..
STRONG..:)
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My book is my life
My book is my heaven
My book is my happiness
My book is my refuge
Good night dear Fred:-)
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And
Now you
Are a Poet
too.. SMiLes
With greater
Dreams..:)
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🙂
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Hello my friend
I appreciate you’re efforts to educated us on the Quran and how it relates to issues we face today. I’m a Christian yet have deep desire to learn about religions around the world.
We believe in the same God, that’s our salvation.
🙂
M
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Yes we believe in the same God and that is the most important..
Thanks a lot dear friend!
Have a great day:-)
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